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Here is another clue why Shib is less successful than was hoped.
Quote from Moodle.org forum
Now, when Shibboleth is down, I ENABLE the former LDAP auth module and tell the users to use the manual Moodle login box. I have inserted the AAI-Login-Box above the Moodle default login Block, see here: https://moodle.fhnw.ch
And when Shibboleth works, I disable LDAP auth. (So that only manual and AAI users can log in)
So this user has had to organise their life around expected unreliablity. Sounds like the SHib service is not good enough
I'd agree that if half the effort that was put into things like SSO and integration with SIMS was put into actually getting engagement by learners in using commonly available systems, we might be a lot further on.
SSO solutions are easy enough; Shibboleth was overly-complex, having been designed for use in a closer-knit community with a far greater technical resource available and a greater technical skill in the average user. If SSO is needed use a multiple ID solution as do modern social services e.g. Disqus allows you to connect with a Google, Facebook or Twitter account or to register your own - it's about making it easy, not about making it hard. Authorise a couple of people in every school to confirm that person's status and expiry date and securely store that information somewhere once confirmed. Simples...
Secondly lack of SSO is not a real barrier to engagement; confidence in the use of the technology is a far higher barrier, coupled with the technologies in question and the degree to which people are interested in them. Plenty of people reguarly use secured applications with multple username/passwords used to access them; the difference is that they want to use them, that the applications in question are slick, focused and designed to engage. Fix that problem in the education space (as far as is possible) and the excuses regarding multiple usernames and passwords will sound far weaker than they did when first raised.
Sorry for the late comment, but there are four schools that I know of here in NZ that are running Koha. We installed and maintain two of those. If you would like any information or contacts at the schools to email please let me know.
Also Marshall Breeding maintains a database here: http://www.librarytechnology.org
The following UK schools are listed as Koha users:
Dame Alice Owen's School. ( Potters Bar, United Kingdom)
Handsworth Grammar School. ( Handsworth, United Kingdom)
Varndean School. ( Brighton and Hove, United Kingdom)
My own slides from this event are below:
Open Standards
It is their business model so it may backfire, though in return for contributing, they are providing the Open Source version. We are currently trialling it with other VLE/LMS and it is the favourite so far. It will need a lot of development before it could be an alternative to the current one. It also needs performance testing to make sure it can handle the number of students.
Is anyone else looking at it in the UK?
John.
Hi Rakesh,
I can recommend the openeducationdisc, a DVD of open source software.
you can download the .iso file to burn to DVD from;
http://sourceforge.net/projects/opendisc/files/openeducationdisc/10.10/OpenEducationDisc.10.10.iso/download
the latest version is from november of last year so some things may have dated in that time but most will be up to date.
you could also look at preinstalling usb sticks with portable apps from
http://portableapps.com/
but if costs are a problem, this is likely to be too expensive, but worth looking at to fund for next year perhaps.
wish you every success
David
I would also like to see region included so that people could look for schools close to them using the software. But, most importantly as part of the testimonial, would be to have a link to a person that can be contacted.
It can make such a difference to talk to another school about how a particular piece of software has been implemented. Our librarian did not believe me when I told her that free open source software can actually be better than proprietary software. It is not as if our school has not used open source software before either! After one email from another school using Koha, our librarian is now looking forward to using open source software.
I have not been very active on this site or OpenSourceSchools recently so I am using my recent experience of implementing Koha to try and catch up with what is happening.
Schoolforge UK was maintaining a page with school-bsaed case studies, not sure whether that is still being added to. Might be interesting to do something the other way around e.g. have a directory of products by function and under the product entry have testimonials from schools using that product.
E.g.
Software by category-Library Systems-Koha-School Testimonials-"Houghton Kepier says this is just great!"
Well our librarian managed to contact another UK school that is using Koha.
After a very postive exchange via email our librarian is now asking when we will be switching to Koha.
Did anything every happen about setting up a directory of users and/or software so that this site could aid in helping people find real world examples of open source software being used in UK schools?
Hopefully the above example highlights how much this could help.
Thanks for the replies. I was aware of the packages that are out there. What I can't find is a school that is using them.
We use Opensource software extensively in our school. But, I can understand why our librarian wants to talk to another school to see how they are managing with using the software.
PS
Joined the Koha mailing list and was pointed to this site for seraching for what I needed :)
http://www.librarytechnology.org/libwebcats/?SID=20110508965515136
I've read good reviews of http://vufind.org/ - If memory serves they have a demo screen that may help skeptics become converts. Good luck
Is the question really about open source? Are you suggesting to the librarian they should change software (and that doing so would save the school money)? Have you identified options for them to look at e.g Koha, OpenBiblio which just happen to be open source?
Looks quite similar to what we provide with the INGOTs except the INGOT community learning site directly under-pins Ofqual accredited qualifications, the National Curriculum and P Scales for special needs. All our content is Creative Commons licensed and our business model is to use qualifications fees to support the open source infrastructure and content so there is no need to have "bad" licensing agreements. We have no motivation to "sell" content or code but we try to incentivise take up by making the cost of our qualifications substantially less than those of the competition. A large secondary school could easily save 10k on its IT qualifications alone. Schools ITQ is the e-skills National Vocational Qualification for IT Users and compared to OCR Nationals, BTEC, City and Guilds etc. it is much less bureaucratic and completely open source software friendly. As the certification partner for the OpenOffice.org community we will generate supporting resources for mainstream open source development too. The "Canvass" like provision is in Drupal and we continually develop the facilities at the request of schools - eg graphical progress monitoring and reporting - as value added to support assessment. But that development depends on the support we get from the community in taking up the qualifications so if you want an open source cloud based learning management resource that is designed to generate income to support open source development in English rather than American education consider getting your school to do the Schools ITQ.
I have looked at it and its still very new, one concern over is is the very bad licence agreement if you contribute to it.
Basically you have to hand over joint rights to your code so instructure can GPL it but they can then also sub licence it under a commercial licence without compensating the original author.
I know that Havant college use it for the TinyMCE integration and also NanoGong.
We have TinyMCE working in a bog standard 1.9.x installation, I used the page below to enable it
http://web2life.co.nz/content/tinymce-and-moodle-howto
FOSS is definitely an appropriate response to budget cuts. It can generate financial savings in terms of TCO but also provides the robust performance, upgrageability and maintainability required by the education sector.
At my college there has been a very slow adoption of FOSS which has, in the main, been driven by Computing/ICT teaching staff and students. We use software like Blender (3D modelling), Google Sketchup (3D modelling), Greenfoot (Java programming), NetBeans (Java programming) and more widely known FOSS such as Firefox, The GIMP, and OpenOffice. Unfortunately, many of these programs are not installed directly on the college network due to the (unfounded) fears of our IT Services department. We also have some sort of MSDN campus agreement which makes much of MS' proprietary software free or almost free. These, sadly, are the main reasons we don't have a wider deployment of FOSS tools. However, there's more than one way to skin a cat as they say ... We give the students a CD of FOSS tools at the start of the year (OpenEducation CD orientated) which they can install at home. We also give them a copy of Portable Apps which they can run from their memory sticks and/or portable hard-drives.
I am a Linux user at home and at college and often show my students what it can do and run. Many of them have taken the opportunity to download Ubuntu or Linux Mint and install them at home. Also, many of our students have Gmail accounts and have used these to collaboratively work on group-based assignments via Google Docs. Such ease and quality are winning over many students.
The increasing awareness of FOSS is starting to have an impact on the wider college staff to. We moved to a Moodle VLE system two years ago which was a major step forward in "enlightenment" for the SMT and IT Services. The main reason was financial - saving £17,000 p.a. spend on Blackboard - but Moodle has provided us with a robust and easily managed and updated VLE. Such quality (and low cost) will almost certainly win the hearts and minds of many SMTs but it is getting the awareness and understanding going in the first place. Grass roots awareness does eventually work. Are there any quicker methods?
I tend to use Drupal pages for publishing rather than Google Docs WP, but I use the spreadsheet because really I know of no other spreadsheet like Google's that is any "freer" that I can use collaboratively. Its interesting how we get bombarded with .docs, ppts, and more so pdfs on the web when most of that information is primarily only ever going to be viewed on a screen. WP and pdf technologies were designed for putting information on paper - old habits die hard which is why any sort of change is difficult.
As for control over data, you can always save stuff locally if you want to and not commit anything really important to you to the web. Let's face it, any web based data will get proliferated. Personally, I'm quite happy that stuff like eg this post is just out there. So what? I would't however put my bank accoount numbers into public circulation. Maybe we should just grasp the nettle and teach children so that they are in a position to make up their own minds.
For me there are a couple of important points.
1. Open Source is a more efficient business model but it still requires some sort of investment for development and maintenance.
2. We are only scraping the surface of possible savings by using a few apps like Google Docs, Inkscape and audacity. We could make massive savings on VLEs, E-portfolios, content etc if the resources were shared out using web technologies rather than dividing them using the existing models where most of the input resources get used up in marketing and cost of sales.
3. There are other areas where technological innovation can massively lower costs but existing brand strength of incumbent suppliers makes it very slow going for smaller players to get sufficient traction to then use the full power of FOSS for all.
Here is some evidence. We provide an Ofqual accredited vocational qualification that is far easier administratively for teachers but does depend on some simple web based technology skills. We have 17 prisons as customers and estimate we'll save them 150k a year in ICT qualification costs alone. Of course we don't depend on any software that needs a license fee either for the users or ourselves. We are giving away a fully hosted and managed VLE/e-portfolio system as free value-added so potentially no cost there either. If we get more users we can put all the supporting content on the web free as well. We are currently putting the National Curriculum assessment criteria for every subject at every level in the system and pusing that out to Drupal pages where it can be linked to supporting materials. Curriculum on-line but not at a cost of 500 million. < 1% of that budget would do it more effectively.
So what I'm saying is that you need a business model to sustain development but that business model can itself save schools money compared with what they are doing now as well as generate the income needed for development and maintenance of FOSS/CC resources to support education. Furthermore such a strategy has the potential to provide free education to anyone with an internet connection and sustain it. As ever, the biggest problem as with any innovation as with FOSS is getting enough support to get to a critical mass that can sustain it.
Personally, I'm a great fan of the Google Apps collection. That said, I'd have a few concerns about trusting my pupils' data to a system which I don't have control over, hence the emphasis above on open source web based tools like Wordpress, Drupal, Mediawiki and dear old Moodle, where the freedom of open source also brings absolute control over the security of pupils' data, which should be high up SLT agendas for child safety and data protection reasons.
You won't believe the number of problems we had here at Roehampton using generic blogger accounts for students that simply went away when we moved to a drupal based DIY solution.
Everything you say is so true. All I would add is that cloud based resources such as Google Apps for Education also offer schools a fantastic and free resource to promote learning in their schools.
Leon Cych of Learn 4 Life has uploaded the excellent videos he recorded of the three presentations to our YouTube channel. See below:
Try GeoGebra www.geogebra.org/webstart/4.0/geogebra-40.jnlp
* it's free and Open Source
* it runs on Mac, Linux & Windows
* Getting nice equations is reasonably easy, type eg:
f(x) = sqrt(sin(x))
FormulaText[f]
Arduino is great. We're working with the Arduino team to give them a really-real time distributed simple block UI(xml based) programming interface to make development much easier, watch this(and arduino.cc)'s space!
For some ideas on what you can do have a look at: http://www.ladyada.net/learn/arduino/index.html
Fred
:~)
P.S need to finish my Arduino binary clock....